Avan themselves dont seem to care about there products once it leaves the factory. Lights on the internal charger were on and there were flashing lights on the solar charger (a-van was in a shed with no sun). Also is does the damaged foam cause a problem or is it cosmetic or may cause a problem? Govt. Suggest you join this Nationalclub also, only $20 a year (plust$10joining fee)and you can attend any rally in Oz when travelling around, irrespective of what statebranch you belong to. I've just purchased a 2003 Avan Cruiseliner in very good condition.Lifting the roof though is heavier than what I can physically manage. I'm a tall,active, fit woman but I reckon weight-bearing exercises are a lot easier than this! G'day Hako, yes, the damaged foam can be a problem as it is a weatherproofing seal and not cosmetic. Like owning a 4x4 (I am in a 4x4 club) 98% of my time is driving in 2 wheel drive on bitumen. On the other hand, a friend of mine kept his at the tyre pressures recommended by Avan and his tyres shredded part way around on his Around Oz adventure. I might sound a bit sceptical, but kept at their tyre pressures may have kept warranty claims down during the warranty period for vibration damage.. As said on my previous email, the most memorable times during our travels was with the Avan camper. I will just repeat the mod link again I provided earlier, it is a good one;http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ekthomas/mods.html, DOUG Chief One Feather (Losing feathers with age), TUG.2014 Holden LT Colorado Twin Cab Ute with Canopy, DEN. 2014 "Chief" Arrow CV (with some changes). If you don't get it done today, there's always tomorrow! ProductReview.com.au has affiliate partnerships. Avan Cruiseliner awning and shade walls 2022-09-16 $125 plus freight For sale, Folding Shelf 2022-09-12 $990 Electric Bike 2022-08-29 $500 Avan Cruiseliner Awninging 2022-06-08 $50 3 Aliner Cushions 2022-04-11 $100 Mini Mover Jockey wheel 2022-04-09 $450 Cover to fit Aliner 2022-04-03 $1,200 Cruiseliner Awning 2022-03-15 I've just, recently bought a 12volt battery powered caravan unit which has proved a godsend as our driveway, at the gate end is only 2400mm wide so we have only about 150mm clearance each side. If in WA there are two places to buy the foam in the Perth area, George Day Caravans http://www.georgeday.com.au/or WA Avan at Guildford (also known as Offshore Marine) closing soon I believe and all parts going to GD). Here is one NSW break away Avan group that has all types of AvanRV'seligible as members, see; In particular see their Avan camper trailermodifications shown here; http://www.sccavanners.com/modifications.htm. http://alinerownersclub.org/ The American Site. Then fill your fresh water to see which gauge has changed so that is Fredh water. Thanks it does sound easy but thanks to some great advice on this forum we should make the right choice. Yes, we had one fitted a purpleline, fitted by avan dealer. Hi I have an AVAN Cruiseliner Adventure Pack Plus. !, "The problem with doing nothing is not knowing when you're finished" - Benjamin Franklin. Its driving us crazy ! With a single axle van marketed as suitable to bush camp, it would seem reasonable for an extra water tank, extra battery and solar to be optioned. Perhaps take your van to a strut fitter and see what they recommend. Duh , thanks for the reminder "windy condition ", Thanks for posting the photo of the clips.. All of the must not exceed the GVM, gross vehicle mass, allowed for your car. Web2005 Avan Cruiseliner, excellent condition (all books and receipts), 3 berth, stored under cover. All switches are off but still the battery drains.There are two heavy duty leads going to the battery, but also a pair of thin leads. Contact your nearest Avan Camper Club and ask when they are having a meet up. INQUIRY TOPIC: AVAN CRUISELINER CAMPERS??- INQUIRY AVAN CRUISELINER CAMPERS??- INQUIRY Hi, I am just doing some research regarding Avan Cruiseliner or Bush Pack Aliner Campers and the do's & don'ts when considering them as an towing option. All I know about them is that they are lightweight ( 650kg) and easy to put up and tow. This trailer may have the two lower panel gas springs reduced to 50 pounds so a bit of lift is required by the owner. Due to the crushing weight of the new panels (with new strong factory-metal springs) the owner wanted to start with four each 75 pound force springs because the (bathroom scale) measured weight of 30 pounds at the end indicated that 100 pounds of force was needed at the point of application. What was missed is that the force when compressed is not 75 pounds. It raised based on the design characteristics of the gas spring to as much as 50% higher. So where she needed 200 pounds to raise the roof panels--she was seeing 225 pounds with the initial installation. That is why you see these panels rise on their own! "We have our Avan Pressurised when on the dirt for that very reason.". We had a Jayco Discovery pop top, although not an outback model and we were very pleased with it. Took it over some rather rough stuff and plenty of corrugations and met all our expectations. Dealer offered to fix defects with silicone. Despite numerous attempts at contact no effort to return calls and emails to had resulted. Like all campers and caravans (even OFF ROADERS) you will have lots of stuff rattle loose and come adrift. Chief One Feather (Losing feathers with age). They are easily changed. This mob will send you the Kit, so you can fit it yourself, or get some-one else to do it for you, if you're not that way inclined, or they will fit it for you if you can take the unit to them. WebAvan Model Location New South Wales Price Finance Sleeps Ad Type Year Length in feet Length in metres Keyword Odometer Weight Other 20 Compare 2021 Avan Ovation M8 ISLAND BED LOW KMS $179,990* Excl. I hope this post helps you overcome the problem facing all A-frame trailer owners with ever deforming roof springs as they age and bend. There is little resale value to a trailer when the panels cannot be easily lifted. it is advisable to discuss with your Avan representative. You would get a lot of help on their Members Only Website when you become a member. Personally if I was interested in a car I'd contact the RACV technical dept, my local mechanic if I use one, and use online forums to tease out my knowledge base. The van is 2.4 years old, not many problems previously, but this time the bumper bar broke from the tack welding, which is only about an inch long on all four spots and will not tolerate-too much jarring, it was a shock to us, could have been serious if it had released entirely from the van totally re traffic following. Further details in the disclaimer. There are various ways of getting a SLIGHT positive pressure inside a van. Trip Reports posted on feathersandphotos.com.au Go to Forums then Trip Reports. If its not the above and you've eliminated the extension cord and the power source is definitely live, sounds like it's service centre time. WebAvan Model: Cruiseliner 1D AD PLUS Price: $52,836 Year: 2022 Transmission: Auto Warranty: 2 Years Fa Stock Number: N2013 Cabins/ Features Seating Capacity: 2 Sleeping Capacity: 3 Air Conditioning: Yes Toilet: No Shower: Yes Fridge: Yes Microwave: Yes Stereo: Yes Suspension: Full Off-road Technical Specifications Garage Length: 5765 mm Its attached under the aluminium strip above the boot hinge (bolted and silicone). Went to update our 2005 avan only to find the quality of production has gone down hill dramatically. Help?Cliff. Adventure Pack Chassis 80w Solar Panel Large Rear Winding Dome Large Front Winding Dome Independent Suspension Tow Away $47,990. I am only small and have great difficulty. Goes through the Adventure Plus pack in detail. Thanks, GaryKelly. I too have had a HiAce with a poptop, and also a Mercedes poptop. Agree with you about bending your kness, and having straight arms but this is altogether different. One of the earlier people to post a message regarding this provided a link to a site showing the roof being raised. My problem is that I don't have the strength to lift the roof more than thefirst few cms that you see in the video.. A. Welcome and safe travels. 3 people. Keep it coming in guys & girlsThank you Gwynnie from matildatraveller. - Short North is the railwayman's nickname for the NSWGR main line between Sydney and Newcastle. It cools the van by one degree. Hope it's a simple fix :), Manual on how to use heater in avan cruiseliner. Ive seen a PDF copy of an Aliner model owners manual, which does help, but I thought there would a similar manual available for the other models? My friend has an A-Van SportsLiner (the smallest 2 berth one that weighs about 700kg I think) and tows it with her 10 Forester XS auto and has been from one end of QLD to the other without much complaint other than the A-Van bounces around alot. When did Avan sell the company/change ownership ?? I've had two poptop campervans in the past, along with a poptop caravan, but the Avan series of campers are totally different arrangement to any of these. My 2008 avan cruiseliner small dome windows won't open with winder, just clunks. Not stuck on seals. We have a cruiseliner and it has split/cracked down the handles on the back of the van why has this happened and how can it be fixed? Its possible the screws have been tightened too much on the handles, causing them to split. Body Length (Exterior): 4440mmInterior Length: 3615mmGarage Length (Overall): 5765mmTravel Height: 1720mmInterior Height: 2440mmWidth: 2075mmBall Weight (Approx): 100kgTare Weight (Approx): 940kgBerth: 3, Body Length (Exterior): 4440mmInterior Length: 3615mmGarage Length (Overall): 5765mmTravel Height: 1720mmInterior Height: 2440mmWidth: 2075mmBall Weight (Approx): 100kgTare Weight (Approx): 940kgBerth: 2. Were the best Subaru Forester Owners Forum to talk about the best years of the Subaru Forester, modifications and reliability history of the Subaru Forester. Mitsubishi Outlander and rear end tent. http://www.sccavanners.com/modifications.htm. Thanks Mike for all your thoughts, muchly appreciated, I'm country breed and have been living in the bush most of my life. of them ? Mine is strapped down. I'm sure you'll find a number of mods that will take your interest. We had a Hawk & had nothing but praise for it also top after sales service from the Jayco dealer, just not too sure about their vans, there is plenty of competition at the van show though. You'll find lots of good info and help there. The salesman also pointed out the different dome options you mention as well, and I can definitely see the benefits of the larger ones. We tried the van for 2 days. Your lights won't only work on 12v but also 240v when you plug it into say a caravan site. I put stronger (same size but thicker gauge) coil springs on the rear of my Xtrail, still a good ride but improved any sag at the rear when hitched up check this out , I know it can be some times difficult, I know that, but it only needs a bit of imagination to wonder if it might not be possible adapt the unit to raise this roof too.. The reason I went for an off roader was because it is tougher than an on road model and I know it will not let me down on the roads like the Gibb River Road, again provided I drive sensibly, but when it comes to extreme stuff, I leave it parked safely in a CP and camp in my 4x4. That is interesting what you say about the tyre pressures and maybe the reason is as you have suggested. Gwynnie- Matildatraveller, 'The self is not something one finds, it is something one creates.' I know other Avanners with both Off Road vans and standard jobs like ours who travel on dirt a lot. With this in mind I found an AVAN forum that is very helpful in 'Doctor Google' with the words.' taking an AVAN off road.' not hard to do. Love what you do Do what you Love!! There have been a couple of cases of people raising the roof in high winds with the rear facing the wind, when the top (larger) side of the roof is raised the roof has been caught by wind and flipped outwards, breaking the bungee. General disclaimer: All third party trademarks, images and copyrights on this page are used for the purpose of comparative advertising, criticism or review. Luckily I had some wire on board so used that to secure the hinges and tied down the roof with ropes. It could be that your roof springs (one in each corner) have become weak. Wouldn't they be able to adapt it somehow ?. So it's normal to come of and on but if it's spending a lot of time on then I'd check to see if all the joints are holding their pressure. If you are a a Member of the Avan Club Australia you can peruse the Avan website for this subject certain it has been covered. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Can you advise what tyre pressure we should have when on road travelling for our Golf Camper - Bush Challenger 4 - its been a couple of years since we have been on the road :). Nissan Xtrail and despite having a heavy duty towbar the sticker inside the door says Automatic 1300kg towing. Recieved bunk ladder from factory with an appaling message on the package (and also a part missing from the ladder) Steer clear of this company, i wish we did. All I know about them is that they are lightweight( 650kg) and easy to put up and tow. 2000 3.0L Auto GU Patrol and a Goldstream RV Cutaway. He also promised to replace the rear right hand side fly screen and advised they had replaced the Awning. Reported it to dealer and they were not interested. Just a thought. It's a great club by the way and only people with pointy heads are eligible . Once it is sold, not their problem apparently. The tare and tow ball weight is only a guide and will change I have difficulty getting the hooks back in place to hold it down. The Cruise and Cruiseliner now come in optional titanium finish with black checkerplate protection for your camper. Sorry to hear about it, but it was the cheapest way they built the van in the cheapest possible way same with the suspension it's lousy if you want to go off road a little bit but for the rip I suggest put some the elastic banned around the winding knob to stop it from unwinding itself it could help when you shut it put elastic band closest to the base of the winder and that should help as it rattles loose on travel and slowly opens other than that you need to put latches on the outside off the Dome but you need somebody to do that. As a ex Avan owner try standing near the middle and close to front of the inside, make sure the sides are already down and push up on the front section roof. Lots of help available there, Hi we have a new to us avan Frances. We rather like our little Aliner, and I'm sure if you make the decision to buy one, you won't regret it. So many choices.. I think it I might The standard unit carrying load Avan applies is: Single Axle; 300kg. Most Avanners I know handle the trips into National Parks on the dirt OK Just take it easy, There are quite a few Tweaks and Modifications needed before doing those bigger sort of trips with any Avan Folding Camper. I have heard of people using duck tap to hold them closed by taping around the sides on to the roofyou may need to keep a few rolls onboard. Enquire More Info. What state are you in, nothing on your profile ? fell in love with van, problem roll out awning it fell to bits and crap tyres only did about 5000 km, had to remove pipe from twin tanks hitting axel now have seperate tank fillers and piping to water pump, Will never enter this place again Michael is the rudest most arrogant salesman I have ever dealt with. They managed to make that happen for us and we were very grateful. There is no locking mechanism on the inside, just the winder. There are various Roof Lifters available a previous posters have mentioned. Hi Franniemac, sounds like you are on top of things, the Xtrail is an excellent vehicle, my last one was an Xtrail and I used it to pull a small Jayco and laterCoromal caravan with no problems. I have been told that even with the offroad pack, these trailers will come home a bit loose inside..any opinions? We bought a good Fiat Ducato Avan from Avan Nowra Steve was the Sales person who sold us the M6. View our Avan awning erection video View our 3 minute video that shows how simple it is to erect our Avan Awnings. Cruiser's new sleek designs are a breeze to tow, giving you greater fuel economy. I am in the process of buying a (new to me) car. Hi, I am just doing some research regarding Avan Cruiseliner or Bush Pack Aliner Campers and the do's & don'ts when considering them as an towing option. Hi Mike, I sourced the tape from Clark Rubber and as per your suggestion chose the closed cell tape. I push the pop-top of our caravan up internally, and wouldnt want anything heavier than that its a straight push up though. Additional weight tax may apply for NSW registered vehicles. I had an Aliner for 7 years (no front boot) but even that collapsed the rear springs of my Camry I was towing with, had to get heavy duty ones fitted. I also briefly had an Avan Alite (superceded bythe Sportsliner) which had after market gas struts fitted to aid lifting. See pic below; Thank you all - Happy Wanderer, Duh, Gerty Dancer, Dougwe, Cruising Cruze, Sheba and VK6TNC. $44,910. The budget we are looking at is $20K to $25K. I would never have taken it "off road". 0 kg. It will sort us out ATM and clearance wise :) We also changed the chains, jockey wheel and hitch to ensure better function and weight specifications. This is the hooks on my pop top to hold it down. Any advice is really appreciated.. With additional size and living space, the Cruiser and Cruiseliner models feature higher road clearance, upgraded chassis and bigger tyres than the Aliner model. I have a full on off road van from Goldstream RV but that doesn't mean I would even consider taking it on some of the tracks I've been on. Hi Didi, Jennie is right on the money, it's mandatory to remain within the specifications (car & van). It happened to me on my last journey. Hi Mike and thanks for the info re type of foam. We have the Avan Cruiseliner which probably as you know is the big A framed van. Just purchased the Avan Aspire 555 from Nowra. We have our Avan Pressurised when on the dirt for that very reason. Some more than others. Any answers ? at home"Leaning forward to see whats coming". Govt. Expect to pay around $6.75 mt at Clark rubber. It is secured by very short screws.A curtain fastener fell offA screw to hold the gas pipe up underneath the van was missing.The two vents were warped. Was told by the dealer that they all look like that. *Add 200mm travel height and allow for extra weight with 'Adventure Pack' option. We are looking to upgrade to a Jayco Discovery Outback shower model or an Avan Jack, we have heard somenegative comments about both & idon't mind saying i have the jitters about buying either! Retired Engineer, ExPark Owner & Caravan Consultant.. Finance available. We even asked another sales person to have him contact us again without response. After numerous personal contacts the flyscreen has still not been replaced. Does anyone have a simple suggestion on a step we may be missing? The acetone was as useless as the proverbial you know what.it barely budged the remnants, whereas good old wd40 worked a treat. IT FALLS OFF. The walls have styrofoam cores but the forces can be now transferred to stronger locations inside the trailer (see article below). You can see how this is done in pictures for the problematic refrigerator vent area of my trailer. It took the combined effort of many engineers, etc. , Have a look at this below. If you are talking about the Avan camper trailer Gerty they are not a lot different, depending on the condition of the van springs etc, it is a straight push up (two sides to it, joined by a bungy cord) but not as easy as a pop top. As Franie says, like the other pop tops the older you get you don't have the same strength as an older person (most) and females in general may be a bit weaker. 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