47. 67. Bon Jovi, Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 05:25am. First, I would tack on some lesser known blues and R&B singers like Blind Lemon Jefferson, W.C. 160. Still hasnt talked about a ton of the top guys. Level One: King Rootin'-Tootin' (The Three Stooges) The Mamas & The Papas: 6/10 Now I'm remembering the time I went to the Country Hall of Fame and they had an exhibit on Ray Charles. "Oh Be My Love"- Barbara Lewis, The Supremes, Barbara McNair. Future Hall of Famer Steve Kerr joins Bill to discuss a quarter-century of learning The Secret in Chicago (with Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson), San Antonio (with Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich), and Phoenix (with Steve Nash), and then how Kerr watched it unfold during his historic run as the coach of the three-time champion Golden State Warriors. Heart (high 3rd) He was the best center in the league for 5 years (yes, the competition for that title was, let's say, lacking). Chris Mullin, 94. Whitney Houston-2, maybe 1 Earlier this month, he added another distinction to his rsum as he was inducted into the Army ROTC Hall of Fame as part of the 24-member Class of 2021.. John Lee Hooker Second floor of The Pyramid. Duran Duran: 8/10 MC5 (Level 1) The Ronettes: 6/10 -Hard to say. a lot of good years for inductions. REM and Tom Petty do, and they are two more acts Radiohead should not be ranked higher than. The Platters: 8/10 Arvydas Sabonis, 98. Lavern Baker: 6/10 He could've gone anywhere, but to Golden State and nobody would've held a grudge outside of those weirdos in Oklahoma. I too personally dislike thier music except "Express Yourself" and I just don't understand why so meny praise them when all they did was steer rap down a more gangester and racist path. "The Tears of a Clown" La Toya Jackson, The Beat, The Rocking Chairs, The Re-Bops, Nnenna Freelon, The Flying Pickets, Caligula, Human Nature, Enuff Z'Nuff, Eumir Deodato, Brian Ray, Marc Cohn, Phil Collins. Anyways, hope you browsed through. 1. The first few years were really good. Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10 Sister Rosetta Tharpe doesn't count because she's an Early Influence inductee which was not taken into account on this pyramid. Posted by Zach on Thursday, 01/29/2015 @ 23:40pm, Posted by Greg on Wednesday, 04/8/2015 @ 15:25pm, The Pyramid Levels. Lincoln Taking risks? Where's number 5? Ike and Tina Turner Posted by Navonte Robertson on Monday, 07/26/2021 @ 09:57am. Talking Heads: 9/10 -All nominated artists must be used in the pyramid Level Four: Brendan Fraser (we can't really have him above anyone else here) And if you did mean the bottom tier, I'm a little surprised putting Joan Baez down there. "A Legend In Its Own Time" J Dilla (as an exercept of his song "One Eleven"). My mistake, I met question 9 and "most nicest", not 7 and "most mean". -U2 Yes - 2 (they could be a 1 too but I like them a lot and they are one of the definitive progressive rock bands so I upped them to a 2) By the way, do you guys think I was right in picking The Zombies and Bon Jovi (both level 1) for "great short career" and "very good long career" or would other acts fit those terms better? Is Harden the NBAs best scorer since Michael Jordan? Chicago Jefferson Airplane: 8/10 The Miracles, Motown's first group, are the most covered Motown group of all time. By now they could be multiple of 14! "You're So Fine and Sweet" - The Undertakers. Eminem (Level 4) SMF 2015, Simple Machines. I still question that there isn't more room in each rung, there should be more room added with each class. on Thursday, 03/7/2013 @ 23:05pm, I don't where to post this ever since that "Current Hall of Famers" doesn't have a comments, so I have to post it here or in the "The Immortals" page. 1986 Level Five: All those folks on the "Ancient Aliens" Series (we'll need some laughs besides the Stooges), Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 17:11pm. The Cure: 8/10 Solomon Burke Lou Reed: 7/10 Here are my responses: 149. Journey - 1 The ones who should move up? OK, why are Frank Zappa and the Bee Gees on the same tier? The Outsiders The Doobie Brothers: 6/10 Basically these acts are all Level 2, Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 18:13pm. 95. DEFINITELY !! Guns N' Roses He wound up avoiding being lumped in to any Rock and Roll labeling likely because he was being marketed to a wider and more mature audience than the industry was marketing towards for the acts that got lumped into the early Rock and Roll label. Nina Simone- 4 Is Curry STILL underrated? Subscribe: Apple Podcasts / Art19 / Spotify / Google Podcasts. For some 50 years !! Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 17:40pm, Hi, Zach. Both won MVP. Carl Perkins: 10/10 10.. Too many people attach significance to his preaching without actually focusing on his music, which didn't exactly change the course of music. not only how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine to the ninety-six As for who I think next year will be: Nirvana, Deep Purple (long overdue, though I wouldn't complain if KISS went instead), some combination of The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Smiths, N.W.A., Chic, Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04/11/2013 @ 12:25pm. Eric Clapton: 9/10 Earl Monroe, 76. 1986 Robert Johnson George Gervin, 39. And HERE is where THE MIRACLES SHINE : THEY ARE SIMPLY, THE MOST-COVERED MOTOWN GROUP.AND MOTOWN ACT, PERIODOF ALL-TIME !! 7. Posted by Andrew on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 17:40pm, We need a space at the top for the Based God. Eagles: 9/10 "Can You Love a Poor Boy" Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker. I think she brought so little to the table talent-wise, evolution-wise. "I Don't Blame You At All" - Rosetta Hightower. What;s the first song ANY kid learns on guitar?? Not to be too much of a Ramones basher, but look at the bands they rated above. And yes, the RRHOF still is missing a Tier 4 group in Kraftwerk because the voters are idiots who hate Electronic music (amongst other things). David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa, Beastie Boys, Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Black Sabbath and The Stooges The Notorious B.I.G. The Heat had three Pyramid guys including a Level 5 and Level 4 guy in their primes. 10.. There are many, many 2000s and '10s era bands that are more engaging. But the biggest question about Harden remainsand it wont be answered until the playoffs. 118. Bob Dylan: 10/10 While there are plenty of eligible snubbed artists out there, there are likely very few, if any, who would make it into Level 4 of the pyramid if they were ever inducted (Level 5 is impenetrable at this point by any non-Hall of Famer). "Determination" The Contours. Level 2 2005 was pretty good too. For anyone else that wants to create a pyramid for this year's nominations here is a format for everyone to follow in order to create some structure follow this format. Anyone voted in simply because they reached a benchmark (sold lots of records, had a lot of hits, etc.) I'd push the Velvet Underground to 3. The architect of the Rock Hall, I.M. The Doors on Thursday, 03.7.13 @ 23:05pm Their overwhelming commercial success then? John Lee Hooker: 8/10 Dusty Springfield The Rock Pyramid is missing the class of 2017 and 2018 inductees. Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five: 8/10 At LEAST LEVEL 4 !! 6. Queen Fats Domino 3/27 Downloaded from qualifiedplanadvisors.dev.trozzolo.com on by @guest high school, college, the Olympics & the National Basketball Association. He followed that up with 6 more solid seasons including 2 more All-NBA teams and 3 more All-Star appearances. 202. how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine to the ninety-six greatest players in the history of pro They were the FIRST Motown group. 1997 I've heard stories about Freddie's generosity, John Deacon was always a quiet guy who just got up there and played (doesn't do interviews anymore), while May and Taylor always come across well in interviews. Depeche Mode-1 Stockton got to play with Malone. Nicest inductee: Buddy Holly [if he was still alive], Queen, Roger Daltery, Tony Iommi, Fats Domino. Argument could be made for a level 5, on the par with James Brown for a mid-career musical reinvention that created a brand new major genre. Shaq, 12. Run-D.M.C. 2008 They were rarely acclaimed critically and/or commercially. Tom Waits c) their influence on guitar and drum techniques, painstaking production methods, song structure and use of electronic effects extends far, far, FAR beyond the realms of metal. Duran Duran "Save Me" The Undertones One of those people helped me learn a little bit about iluminati I suffered before I became a millionaire via the help of iluminati.I knew here in US promised to help me give email which I emailed told them I want become a member and be protected.They accept my application and I was initiated after my initiation. 2001 163. 14. Parker was really, really good for a long time. How much should Hardens playoff stumbles matter for him historically? David Bowie should be moved up to the top of the fourth level. Fats Domino comes off as a classy and humble man in every interview and film I've seen of him. 3,2,1 is pretty much a mess. Most weird inductee? The Stooges (including Chicago) I'd prefer Nina on Level 2, but I'd ultimately have no problem putting all the artists on Level 1. Probably both The Miracles and Sabbath. Posted by Shrek on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 18:59pm. Pearl Jam Will you always remember seeing them in concert, even when you're 80 years old and peeing on yourself? Isiah Thomas, 25. 217. When is this pyramid gonna get updated with the class of 2017??? Here is Simmons' explanation of the idea (revised for Rock and Roll): So why couldn't we transform it into a five-level pyramid -- seriously, an actual pyramid, like a replica of the Luxor casino in Las Vegas -- where elected [artists] are assigned to different levels? 16. Bon Jovi (while not a critical favorite, the band is still selling well into the new 10's) And to me, the John Stockton vs. Chris Paul debate would be the most important chapter. Hell, when it comes time for kanye are we really gonna say his mark isn't bigger than say the who (who i love)? Journey: 3/10 Ray Charles. Lyrics to me are merely a supplement to music. Most civilized inductee: Chuck D, Bruce Springsteen, Fats Domino. Paul McCartney: 8/10 Lionel Richie (Level 1) After reading your comment, here's how I would fix the pyramid: 2. Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/2/2013 @ 11:04am. I guess SONGWRITING , PRODUCING, and INFLUENCE are considered more IMPORTANT than flashy choreography,flashy clothes,and Pop success!! Journey Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 01/25/2018 @ 23:09pm. GNR: 9/10 In 2010, Bill Simmons published The Book of Basketball's paperback edition in which he updated his Hall of Fame Pyramid, a list of the top 96 greatest men's basketball players. 166. 4. 17. Meanest inductee: John Fogerty, Axl Rose, Eddie Van Halen, Johnny Rotten, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mike Love. I think this is perhaps because they are an entitled bunch of dicks and no-one likes them as human beings, but also because people don't realise: Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 21:45pm. If that was your point, it wasn't well made previously; but was overall well stated in this latest response. (Believe me, people I've talked to actually think that!) Gene Pitney: 5/10 Ive listened to almost every Simmons podcast episode on NBA stuff in the past year during my commutes, which is honestly way too much time :sweat_smile: . Braveheart Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 03.8.13 @ 15:51pm Dominique Wilkins, 63. Guns N' Roses weren't the most pleasant of acts. Needless to say, Young will be high on the short list (I'm limiting it 10 picks, as I'd rather not expend too much time on what I loathe). Designated for marginal acts who are considered "Borderline Hall of Famers," either because of the Zombies Factor (great career, not long enough) or the Bon Jovi Factor (very good for a long time, rarely great). "Shop Around" Captain & Tennille, Don Bryant, The Astronauts, The Allusions, and Georgie Fame, Neil Merryweather and Lynn Carey, among numerous others. Does The Secret have a shelf life? How Far Can This Version of James Harden Take the Sixers? Yes- 4 Powered by SMF | 2001 He's made 3 1st Team All-NBAs, but only made the playoffs twice (this year will be the 3rd). In my honest opinion, Rush should also be placed a lot higher, at least, preferably in the middle of the 4th tier, slightly lower than Pink Floyd and slightly below, soon to be inducted, Yes. The Animals: 8/10 Earth, Wind & Fire: 8/10 "Way Over There" The Royal Counts, The Temptations, Edwin Starr, The Marvelettes, New Man, Eddie Adams Jr. I can't say that I feel the same about Costello being even with The Talking Heads. I'm really not surprised you could do that. 30. Run - DMC (Level 4) I'm going to pull a Simmons here and admit that I swapped Kidd and Payton because a washed-up Payton barely played for the '06 Heat that won a title while Kidd was actually important to the '11 Mavs. Black Sabbath: 10/10 The O'Jays: 7/10 12. Wow, thanks for sharing, where do you get all this information from if I may know? Gene Pitney: 5/10 Seriously. 171. The Who *******THE TOP 100 ARTISTS OF ALL TIME:******* Del Shannon: 5/10 Not a shock, since they also decided it was a good idea to put in Nile Rodgers as a sideman when substantially all his HOF credentials were through Chic (which he himself acknowledged), which ironically has destroyed Chic's chances (since they technically can't factor him in as he was inducted on his work with Chic amongst other groups). 9/10 = All Time Greats Neil Young Elvis Presley Tier 4 is their place. Level 3 Call it elitist, call it exclusionary, but I've experienced a major shift in how I listen to music and evaluate it. Best hip-hop act: The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Run DMC. 89. Actually what I initially wrote about them here still works: Frank Zappa: 9/10 When I complete the list, I'll link it here so you can read my reasons. MVP Offline Posts: 9456. The Rolling Stones: 10/10 Roy Orbison: 10/10 15. Great concept! Bo Diddley: 10/10 Linda Ronstadt: 7/10 -the Who, the Dave Clark Five being a close second despite their clean polished sound, they were loud and energetic. Level 5: 2016 The impressions Run-DMC Lloyd Price: 4/10 It started out as 12 and then multiples of 12 but you have had several yeas of new inductees since then. Some possible indications: Miles Davis: 9/10 The comments in this section have also been helpful, and of course, my own personal opinions, tastes and whatnot. 6. 190. Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 10:05am. Under no circumstances whatsoever, should AC/DC sit above Rush, period. I would also move a few artists around like replacing Madonna with some other female singer like Liz Phair or Norah Jones, moving Elton John down a rank and putting Billy Joel there, moving Sam Cooke up a bit as well as Big Joe Turner and Fats Domino. Most loudest inductee (outside the Metal genre)? The Everly Brothers: 10/10 192. I'm a musician myself, my band plays a mix of originals and 70s/80s/90s rock covers, and Radiohead's name never comes up between any of us. A great scorer, but I'm not sure he was ever a good enough all-around player to be the best player on a champ despite that one year with the Nuggets. Torae, and others. Proper evaluation of influence can certainly be biased by opinion; but overall it is rather easy to research to see historically the impact an artist had by tracking musicians that copied them, or directly cite them as major influences. Their career ended through poor records and/or changing tastes. Pearl Jam: 9/10 The first change I would make to this pyramid: Michael Jackson to Level 5, perhaps replacing Jimi Hendrix. Percy Sledge: 2/10 Patti Smith: 9/10 Favorite induction year? The Grateful Dead 1989 The Soul Stirrers If we are using Bill Simmons' basketball pyramid as a model, it's like saying nobody performed top-notch basketball after Wilt Chamberlain was on the scene. The Clash: 10/10 Janis Joplin Righteous Brothers: 7/10 These are basically "L3" guys, only there's something just inherently "greater" about them. The Lion King, Posted by Andrew on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 20:04pm. Zach, most of your comments make sense to me. Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 14:25pm. Miles Davis (Level 2) We are talking about Rock music here, right? Elvis Presley: 10/10 2002 69. Chuck Berry. The Velvet Underground: 10/10 All my earlier kidding aside, here's how I'd fix the pyramid: 218. The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 When you look at it this way, it's not an especially inspired class, is it? If you prefer to look at the Hall of Famers in a sortable list, here is where to go. Most civilized inductee? "My Girl Has Gone" Etienne Daho, Bobby Taylor, Edwyn Collins, Ken Parker. 96. Did the management of this establishment put you up to this? 69. Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:50pm. Most mean inductee? Its impossible to figure out Stephen Currys phenomenal decade without hashing through everything that happened that night. 3. MOTOWN GROUPS RANKED ON ROLLING STONE'S LIST OF Posted by Bill G on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 00:36am, Since the lower rungs no longer reflect multiples of 12, a couple more artists should move up to that top rung and give us even multiples of 13, 14, or 15, whatever it would be up to by now. Plebeian, The Doors Bob Marley 146. "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. 133. Crosby, Stills & Nash: 7/10 Otis Redding 147. Now that the lower tiers are no longer multiples is 12, is anyone ever going to move up from 4 to 5? 2003 I cannot think of a single scandal or controversy in which he was involved, and I've never heard or read a negative word about him. Looks like it from what I remember. ), Posted by Scotty Mac on Friday, 09/14/2018 @ 23:07pm. It's not the first time I've seen them being underrated. Del Shannon YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT !! Led Zeppelin: 10/10 Saving Private Ryan B. 1988 Nirvana: 10/10 The Supremes: 10/10 Many of the Miracles' songs have been major hits or important recordings for other artists. I agree about John Lennon. Bill Withers ------------------- Hall and Oates Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10 move to 3: In fact, that statement is the only exception to the rule that Rush should even share the same sentence with that other band. Posted by John R.C. Lastly, here are some of my favorite films: Posted by KXB on Wednesday, 08/3/2016 @ 12:10pm. Chicago- 4 Fats Domino: 10/10 1992 Elmore James Heart Whats legacy, anyway? 6/10 = Decent Artists 1999 2014 Nine Inch Nails-2 They have 18 acts in their top tier, and based on this David Bowie should be in Level 5. The Drifters John R.C., Journey That's the backbone of my opinion and I'm out of cares about your opinion about my opinion, pal. Dolly Parton-Level 2-The only caveat is that she isn't strictly rock 'n' roll, like Miles Davis, Nina Simone or Joan Baez, but with songs like Jolene, Coat of Many Colors, 9 to 5, I Will Always Love You etc, I think she deserves this position 1/10 = Not even worth of mention As Bill Simmons wrote in his article, it's just more fun to think of the Hall of Fame as a pyramid. David Thompson, 80. Chicago: 6/10 10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons Bob Lanier, 105. The Bee Gees 2 Personally, I think they're overvalued in the rankings and undervalued on the pyramid. As far as the 2013 inductees are concerned and their tier placement is concerned: Wait, you'd put Bon Jovi and Journey in the top tier with the Beatles? Frank Zappa Do you have to consider them in any "best of all-time" discussions? Van Halen: 9/10, Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 01:33am, Final part of rating the performers. Your favorite inductees (You can pick at least 7)? 99. 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